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RED RIVER COMPACT COMMISSION
ENGINEERING ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
FEBRUARY 16, 1983 - 10;30 AM TO 2:30 PM
SOUTHWESTERN DIVISION CORPS OF ENGINEERS OFFICE
1114 Commerce St.
Dallas, Texas
PRESENT:
Lawrence Flanagan Corps of Engineers
R. Terry Coomes Corps of Engineers
Leland D. Hauth U.S.G.S. - W.R.D.
Terry Lamb U.S.G.S. - W.R.D.
John J. Musser U.S.G.S. - W.R.D.
Richard L. Bennett State of Louisiana
Americ J. Bryniarski State of Arkansas
Richard U. Grozier U.S.G.S. - W.R.D.
Robert M. Whitenton State of Texas
Tesfai Ghermazien State of Oklahoma
Paul R. Wilson State of Oklahoma
Lower Miss. Valley Div.
Southwestern Div.
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Louisiana
Texas
The meeting began 30 minutes behind schedule and when it opened
the discussion continued on the concern of the accuracy of the
Hosston, LA gage (07344400) and whether or not the readings
taken were reflective of the state-line flows when the range
approaches the 1,000 cfs rate. The feasibility of moving the
gage to the state line was considered, and R. Bennett advised
the group that access to any gage installation here would be a
considerable problem due to an expansive width of channel
without a bridge or any other permanent structure to attach
onto. It was also discussed that this gage was the wire-weight
type that was read once daily. B. Whitenton commented that a
state line positioning of a gage would eliminate the necessity
of having to account for the inflows from Posten Bayou. It was
then suggested that with some kind of a gaging method for Posten
Bayou, a more accurate accounting for the state line flow could
be made from the Hosston readings. It was suggested by T.
Coomes that the Committee request the U.S.G.S. to evaluate the
Hosston, Spring Bank Ferry or a state line gage or what would be
the better of the three. The Chairman then made a verbal
request for same to J. Musser for some guidance on this matter
in the near future. Mr. Musser advised us that it appeared to
him that the least expensive alternative for you would be to
maintain the Hosston gage and possibly convert this to a
continuous recorder and then ask the U.S.G.S. if we could get
some other detailed information on Posten Bayou watershed. Your
other alternative is to place a gage at the state line or near
it and this is a much more expensive alternative. L. Hauth
commented that their Washington D.C. office of the Department of
the Interior people felt like they were already spending far too
much money on stream flow measurements for no apparent reason
and they were directed to provide an analysis of the data that
Object Description
| Title | Minutes: Red River Compact Commission Engineering Advisory Committee Meeting of 2/16/1983 |
| Project Name | Red River Compact Commission |
| Subject | Red River Compact Commission; Boundaries, State; Oklahoma --Boundaries--Texas; Texas--Boundaries--Oklahoma; Water resources development--Red River |
| Okla State Agency | Office of the Attorney General, Oklahoma |
| Agency Code | '049' |
| Electronic Curators | Michael O'Hasson; Kitty Pittman |
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| Title | Page 1 |
| Transcript | RED RIVER COMPACT COMMISSION ENGINEERING ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES FEBRUARY 16, 1983 - 10;30 AM TO 2:30 PM SOUTHWESTERN DIVISION CORPS OF ENGINEERS OFFICE 1114 Commerce St. Dallas, Texas PRESENT: Lawrence Flanagan Corps of Engineers R. Terry Coomes Corps of Engineers Leland D. Hauth U.S.G.S. - W.R.D. Terry Lamb U.S.G.S. - W.R.D. John J. Musser U.S.G.S. - W.R.D. Richard L. Bennett State of Louisiana Americ J. Bryniarski State of Arkansas Richard U. Grozier U.S.G.S. - W.R.D. Robert M. Whitenton State of Texas Tesfai Ghermazien State of Oklahoma Paul R. Wilson State of Oklahoma Lower Miss. Valley Div. Southwestern Div. Oklahoma Arkansas Louisiana Texas The meeting began 30 minutes behind schedule and when it opened the discussion continued on the concern of the accuracy of the Hosston, LA gage (07344400) and whether or not the readings taken were reflective of the state-line flows when the range approaches the 1,000 cfs rate. The feasibility of moving the gage to the state line was considered, and R. Bennett advised the group that access to any gage installation here would be a considerable problem due to an expansive width of channel without a bridge or any other permanent structure to attach onto. It was also discussed that this gage was the wire-weight type that was read once daily. B. Whitenton commented that a state line positioning of a gage would eliminate the necessity of having to account for the inflows from Posten Bayou. It was then suggested that with some kind of a gaging method for Posten Bayou, a more accurate accounting for the state line flow could be made from the Hosston readings. It was suggested by T. Coomes that the Committee request the U.S.G.S. to evaluate the Hosston, Spring Bank Ferry or a state line gage or what would be the better of the three. The Chairman then made a verbal request for same to J. Musser for some guidance on this matter in the near future. Mr. Musser advised us that it appeared to him that the least expensive alternative for you would be to maintain the Hosston gage and possibly convert this to a continuous recorder and then ask the U.S.G.S. if we could get some other detailed information on Posten Bayou watershed. Your other alternative is to place a gage at the state line or near it and this is a much more expensive alternative. L. Hauth commented that their Washington D.C. office of the Department of the Interior people felt like they were already spending far too much money on stream flow measurements for no apparent reason and they were directed to provide an analysis of the data that |
